Monday, October 30, 2017

Post 61—Bible or No Bible? The Electronic Church


 

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John wrote on Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 10:11 AM

Hi Dana

            Recently, I was in church on Sunday morning. It is a church we frequently attend. Unfortunately, due to the entertainment style of worship and its presentation to the audience, we try not to get there until after the entertainment portion of the service. We try to get there in time for the offering and then the very Biblical teaching. That particular week, the pastor was wrapping up his lengthy study of the Book of James.

            Among other things he was talking about a church and its values. Unfortunately, I couldn’t write fast enough to get all the items written down. And the sanctuary was still only partially lit, rather than the intense black of the entertainment (whops—I mean worship) portion, of the service, so even now my notes are a little hard to read because they are scratchy. As the pastor was talking about values, he was also referencing a lot of scriptures. Unfortunately, I couldn’t write the scriptural references, just most of the values. (Sorry about the old saw of worship as entertainment, so I’ll move on...)

            Next two us were two young men. I’m guessing they were post millennials,probably Gen Z-ers. When it was time for the message (teaching), they both whipped out their IPhones or Samsung Galaxies or whatevers and fingered the appropriate app and, (because I couldn’t see their screens clearly due to the small size of the screens and print) up popped a Bible. They manipulated the screen until the correct book appeared. And then they finally got to the appropriate chapter and scrolled for the verse the pastor was referencing. We quickly found the Book of James in our Bibles and turned the page to the correct chapter and verse.

            While in Bible school, I got pretty adept at taking notes from the messages of the various preachers. Then as a professional free-lance journalist, I got more adept at taking notes for the articles I was writing for publication (a transferable skill to use during a message in church).  I will admit now that I am older, I don’t write a s quickly nor do I remember as perfectly as I used to, but I make a serious stab at getting much down on paper. Ah, now there’s the rub, on paper. Those young men were not typing anything down into their phones. There was no margin and they didn’t have a Notes app up in order to make notes.

            Thirty some years after Bible school, I can still go back to the Bibles I took to chapel and find the notes I took from the various messages from Brother Carr or Greenaway or Hartwick or Tarr or whomever. The inside front cover is filled, margins are filled, papers covered with notes bulge from various books and chapters. The accumulation of dozens, perhaps hundreds of years of learning to walk with God and walking with God are written in those Bibles, in addition to, of course, God’s words. When I read or refer back to those hand written notes, I can and do  for me to learn from, refer back to, write about, share with others, or just sit and remember the actual message and what was going on at the time.

            Those two Gen Z-ers stuffed their phones in their pockets, and left, but not before apparently checking other apps (perhaps Facebook or emails) while the closing number was sung.

            But what were the values of a church that the pastor quickly went through? A church should 1. value God’s word; 2. value people-to build people up; 3. value as atmosphere—a place where God is and/or it is Godly;  4 value spiritual advancement;  5. home groups and societally;  6. value the last 10%. I’m going to try and explain this last 10% item.

            As I understood it, he was referring to the group of people in a congregation who hold back information that can damage a person during a conflict. Rather than spilling-the-beans on someone, even though the information may be the truth, what hurt or damage might that information do to one of the parties in a conversation or heated discussion. This last 10% show when being honest and sincere, along with kindness and tenderheartedness, and appropriate timing.

            Unfortunately, I don’t fit into that 10% category as much as I should. While there are some people who are more gifted intellectually than I am and are able to have good recall of things read or heard, most people do not. As God’s sheep, we aren’t always necessarily ready to receive what He has to say to us, or is saying to us, at a moment in time and we need some method of referring back to what was said (in addition to the Holy Spirit’s helping us recall). I have my notes. Those Gen Z-ers have multiple apps on their phones.

             I was recently listening to a well known radio preacher during my lunch hour and he talked about the importance of reading, carrying, and using an actual printed Bible. In fact, he admonished his people to put away their IPhones and get out a Bible. Are we so ashamed (or lazy) of God and His word that we don’t want to be seen carrying a Bible in public? Granted there are places in the world where that could be dangerous and maybe even get a person killed today, but on the streets of Pennsylvania or New Jersey? I think not.

            To be continued

John

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Dana replied on Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 10:20 AM

Hi John,

     I don’t think it edifying or helpful to the Kingdom to think or say that one who uses an electronic device for Bible reading/study/ or church is lazy, or ashamed of God’s Word, or to insinuate that they don’t want to be seen in public carrying a Bible. 

     Personally I don’t care how a person reads the Scriptures as long as they ARE reading the Scriptures.  There are a lot of Christians who have big, leather-bound Bibles who never crack the cover of them.  Do you reckon God gets more glory from someone carrying a big Bible to church who never reads it, or someone who actually reads an electronic Bible on their phone or tablet? 

     As my wife has spent a considerable amount of time in hospitals, and I spend a lot of time in waiting rooms, I thank God every day for a pocket-sized, electronic iPod which has several Bible versions and Bible study “apps” on it.  I don’t think laziness or being ashamed of being seen with God’s Word plays the remotest part in my decision to read the Bible that way.  Cannot the Holy Spirit minister the truth of His Word electronically, or is His ministry of said Word limited because it’s not on a printed page?

     Also your criticism of the “Gen Z-ers” who don’t have your Bible School note-taking values, doesn’t seem to take into consideration or rejoice at the fact that they ARE in Church.  They aren’t home nursing a hangover from the night before, or binge watching their favorite TV show, or having brunch at Starbucks; they ARE in church. 

     Your judging them for not having your generation’s value system is unfair and potentially alienating.  We’re never going to get younger people to show an interest in church for not doing church the way we do.  We must be very careful not to make an idol out of “that old time religion.”

     That said, I am a note-taker too.  I make lots of them, and have even developed my own “shorthand” so as to be able to take the notes more quickly.  I also have lots of notebooks full of notes, and while I don’t write in my Bible very much, my Bibles are crammed with notebook pages, the backs of old church bulletins, visitor’s cards, and offering envelopes full of things I’ve written down.  There is nothing wrong with taking lots of notes.

     But the “Gen Z-ers” weren’t raised or educated the way we were, or in the day and age in which we were.  Their world, for better or worse, is digital and electronic. 

     When I went back to school in 2004 to learn about growing grapes and making wine, I was amazed at just how much of both my class material and supplemental material was on line.  In fact, just to be a student, I had to take a basic computer class first and foremost, just so I could be a student, seeing that I hadn’t taken a college course since the 1970’s. 

     While in college in 1976, the big debate on campus was whether or not it was cheating if one used a calculator to do math.  It was determined by the college administration that if one used a calculator at home to work math problems, it wasn’t to be considered cheating…however, if one brought a calculator to class and used it there, it would be seen as cheating, and that one would be subject to the strictest disciplinary measures.

     Whether we want to change with the times or not, the fact is that today literacy its very self is based on computer knowledge and the ability to use one—and that goes for smart phones and personal devices too. The new literacy is technological in nature.

     When I was a boy growing up in rural NC, it wasn’t uncommon to run across an old timer who had never been to school, or learned how to read and write.  These people would sign with an “X” instead of being able to write their name.  Because I had received a pretty decent public education, I marveled at people, who in the modern twentieth century were still illiterate. It was almost incomprehensible.

     Well, today, we old timers who are being dragged kicking and screaming into the new century are the ones who are, to much of the new computer technology savvy crowd, the old guys who sign with an “X.”  And unless somebody initiates a nuclear holocaust or a giant meteor hits the earth and zaps us all back instantly into the Stone Age, we will never go back to the analog age.  It just ain’t happening.

     So as I see it, we can choose to adopt one of two mindsets.  We can sit and chafe about how the young crowd is too lazy or ashamed to carry a physical, bound, book-type Bible around, and we can look down on them for not doing things our way, or, we can thank God that there are young people who are even interested in going to church and actually reading their Bibles, even if on an electronic device, and try to bridge the age gap and be a mentor or elder brother in the Lord to them. 

     But that mentorship cannot begin with the premise that everything that they do is wrong and everything we have been doing is, in reality, the only right and only holy way to do things.  To look down on the younger generation for not having the values with which we were raised (and they were not) smacks of self-righteousness and Pharisee-ism.  The religious establishment of Jesus’ day, had their religion down to a science and essentially missed the Gospel, because Jesus’ teaching wasn’t in line with their idolized “old time religion,” so to speak.  Pharisees drive people away from the Lord.  God help us to not become Pharisees.

Dana

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John responded on 10/29/17 at 8:54, instead of watching the fifth game of this year’s very exciting World Series. Go Houston! Hang in there!!

Dana 

            I do hear you. But I don’t think the answer to the dilemma is a straightforward as you are presenting it.

            Friday, I forgot my cell phone. I never leave home without it. I was on edge all day wondering where it was, what was I missing, and how would anyone contact me without it (among other fears)? When I got home from work, the charge was 0%. Dead as a doornail.  Try using a phone in church that is misplaced, left at home, or with no charge.

            Have you watched people in a congregation try to finger their phone to keep up with a pastor who is constantly jumping from book to book and verse to verse? How much are they missing?

            You know how easy it is to get distracted from what the preacher is saying while  trying to find something using a Bible. How much more are the distractions with a phone? How much is missed?

            Sure, I’m glad those Gen Zers were in church and not at Starbucks. But what are they getting? How much is the Holy Spirit really sinking into their souls?

            Yes, I agree, we are the old timers. I remember people coming into the bank I worked for and signing their check with an X. I couldn’t believe it. Those people only wanted money, we’re talking about serving the living God and knowing His word to help us navigate the stormy and treacherous seas of life. Not just play Angry Birds or ask Siri where’s the nearest bike store or Chinese restaurant.

            I know about dinosaurs. I’ve seen one of the few Gutenberg Bibles in the world on display in the Library of Congress, but I work for a graphics company whose presses can turn out 1000s of printed pages a day vs one book in weeks. Yes, I would agree to a point, we’re dinosaurs, but our printed Bibles don’t need to be recharged. If dropped the case won’t break nor will the glass, because there isn’t any. I can refer to my notes at any time. If I have tabs that mark the Books, I can look something up even faster than trying to scroll through a never ending line of books, and chapters and then verses. When I travel, I don’t have to be concerned about finding a charging station or a possible hassle from the TSA. Even down to the security and comfort of “holding” God and His words in my hands, when it’s necessary (if I don’t have an appropriate verse memorized) and not hoping that Siri can understand my fading Midwest accent.

            Perhaps this might be a workable suggestion. For those who rely on their phones, make them the secondary choice for church, after their Bible. As one phone user actually acknowledged when asked about this, she said, “A person short changes themselves for all the benefits they can get out of a (paper) Bible.” I would agree, especially when I take our NIV Essentials Study Bible off the shelf and use all the study aids that are in it.

             And speaking of this Bible, in the Preface of the NIV Essentials Study Bible are these words:

 

 “Our work as translators is motivated by our conviction that the Bible is God’s Word in written form. We believe that the Bible contains the divine answer to the deepest needs of humanity, sheds unique light on our path in a dark world and sets forth the way to our eternal well-being.”

 

            Can I get the above from an iPhone?  If I can find it amongst all the other apps, I do have a Flashlight app. But the “...shed(ding) unique light on our path in a dark world and set(ting) forth the way to our eternal well-being,” I would rather hold it in my hand and turn the pages daily along that path while I walk with Him.

Your friend

John

PS  In case you’re wondering, the Astros took it in the 10th with a score of 13 to 12—in what many baseball writers and others are calling one of the best ever!!!! Go Astros

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Dana Replied on Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 11:37 AM

Hi John,

     I get your point.  I too prefer the printed page.  While I have a Kindle app on my iPod, and have access to a number of books in a device about as big as a pack of cigarettes and a quarter of the thickness, when I buy books, for the most part they are real printed, hard copy books.  But we are not the young people of today.

     Younger people are whizzes with electronic devices.  My son has never known life without microwave ovens and ATM machines, and everything else that goes with those technological developments.  And as each new or updated technological apparatus comes along, they are primed and ready for it.  My elementary school-aged granddaughter can already do more on cell phone than I’ll probably be able to do if I live to be 100. 

     My point is, is that we simply cannot transfer our own technological inabilities and trepidations onto a generation that doesn’t possess our generation’s inabilities and trepidations.

     Case in point: during the War Between the States, Confederate General Jeb Stuart’s troops were defeated by General George Armstrong Custer’s Union forces.  One of the reasons for the upset was that Custer’s soldiers were armed with repeating rifles (the Spencer carbine, I believe,) while Stuart’s men had muzzle loading weapons.  What’s this got to do with the electronic church?  Bear with me.

     In the infinite wisdom of some person in the War Department of the US Government in that day, it was decided that it would be “better” for some reason either political or economical, to take a step back and change the service rifle of the US Army to the 45.70 caliber Trap Door Springfield. 

     These rifles were the same size and weight as the old, muzzle loading “thunder sticks,” but fired a single round from a metallic cartridge, which was loaded by opening the breech via a lever.  Upon so doing, the spent cartridge casing was extracted, and could be replaced by manually inserting another round.  The breech was then closed and locked, the hammer manually cocked, and the weapon was ready for firing.  There was significant time between shots, whereas the Spencer rifle had a tubular spring-fed magazine which held (I think) seven rounds. When the loading lever, which also functioned as a trigger guard, was pushed forward the empty round was ejected and upon being pulled back, a fresh cartridge was chambered.

     The 45.70 cartridge was a buffalo stopping round, which made the bullet quite heavy, thus not all that efficient for long range shots.  The rifles were heavy, slow and cumbersome, but of a size and weight to which most soldiers were accustomed.  These 45.70’s were the weapons with which most of General Custer’s 7th Cavalry were armed, when they encountered Sitting Bull’s and Crazy Horse’s warriors, who were carrying…repeating rifles.  It’s more than a little ironic that Custer won one of the last, very important battles of the War Between the States with the use of repeating rifles, then several years later, lost most of his command and his own life because his troops were armed with single-shot weapons and the Native Americans had repeaters. 

     Davy Crockett, in most cases, would have preferred his “Old Betsy” flintlock rifle, but I bet he’d have given anything under the sun for a repeating rifle at the Alamo.  It’s not that the old technology is bad; it’s that for the most part (overwhelmingly) the new technology is better. Those who grasp and employ it tend to move ahead of those who don’t.

     We needn’t fear technology too much. Yes, there are elements in our military and covert sciences that are doing their dead level best to integrate and hybridize mankind with machines, and, are developing machines that can think for themselves, and that’s no small concern, but an electronic Bible and its users aren’t the bad guys here.  All of your issues, I understand, and to a degree, empathize and sympathize with, but the one factor that overrides all your concerns is the Holy Spirit Himself.

You wrote:

 “Sure, I’m glad those Gen Zers were in church and not at Starbucks. But what are they getting? How much is the Holy Spirit really sinking into their souls?”

     Will technology and apps really limit the Holy Spirit from working in the life of one of our younger generationals?  You and I might stumble from pillar to post while trying to keep up with the pastor on an electronic Bible app, but I have more confidence in those who know how to use the technology, and even more so in the ability of the omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent Holy Spirit to touch the life of the end user despite technology or the lack thereof. 

     The New Testament which we revere as God’s inspired Word (along with the Old Testament) was something which the first Christians didn’t have in any portable form.  They could hear the Scriptures read at synagogue (if they were Jews) and they would be able to sit under the teachings of the Apostles or their subordinates, but the writings that became the New Testament existed primarily in the form of letters that went to and were perhaps circulated by churches, not individuals.  First century believers had no personal Bibles to read, and yet thousands were being saved and filled with the Spirit, and, churches were springing up, and, I might add, in the face of fierce opposition from Jews and pagans alike.

     The Holy Spirit will do His work in His people whether they have no personal Bible to read, or if they have a leather bound study Bible with the words of Christ in red, or a Gideon’s pocket New Testament, or a memorized verse, or an iPod, iPhone, iPad or any of the other electronic platforms (Galaxy etc.) 

     It says in Hebrews 4:

 “For the word of God is living, and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.”

     Given the omniscience, omnipresence, and omnipotence of the Holy Spirit, and what we just read concerning the “living” word of God, are we truly worried that the same word and Spirit cannot “…sink into their souls,” because they access the Scriptures on a hand held electronic device that we just haven’t been able to master as well?

     Jeremiah 32:27 says:

       “Behold, I am the Lord, the God of all flesh. Is anything too hard for me? 

     Does this not apply to hand held devices and Bible apps?

     Indeed!

Dana

Saturday, October 21, 2017

Post 60-Amos, Meddling, and Brother Hartwick’s Minor Prophets Class


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Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 10:36 AM Dana wrote

Hi John,

     Since we first looked at Amos, I have lingered there myself.  As I am teaching through the book of Judges in my Sunday School class, I stay amazed at how much both of the books have to say about what is going on in our world, our country, and our churches today.

     When I am reading Amos, I cannot help but remember back to Brother Hartwick’s class on the Minor Prophets.  Now, to all reading this who knew or studied under Brother Hartwick (Rev. Reuben Hartwick) you will no doubt remember, and to those who didn’t know him, you must understand that he was a no nonsense man.  That is not to say he didn’t ever crack a smile nor have a sense of humor, but compared to the fun loving Brother Grazier, Brother Hartwick was pretty much all business, and suffered no fools lightly.

     My Dad, Bill Acker, for a time was the Dean of Men at Valley Forge Christian College (VFCC) in Phoenixville, Pennsylvania serving under Brother Hartwick, who, if I’m not mistaken, in that day was the Dean of Students.  Anyway, my Dad told me the story of a young man who came to VFCC, and who claimed to be a prophet, specifically sent by God to the college.  Knowing Brother Hartwick as I have, he would not have been impressed.

     Not to make light of one’s afflictions; this young man was suffering from some form of mental illness, and became increasingly delusional as time went by.  Finally one night in his dorm, he could do nothing more than pace back and forth, twiddle his index fingers around each other forwards and backwards, while repeating over and over again, “Touch not God’s anointed, Touch not God’s anointed, Touch not God’s anointed, Touch not God’s anointed….”

     Concerned students called Brother Hartwick and my Dad to intervene.  Upon reaching the young man and confronting him, he proceeded to (and I quote my Dad here) “cast the devil out of Brother Hartwick.”  Needless to say Brother Hartwick was not amused. 

     The young man was soon taken by the authorities to a hospital where he hopefully received some help.  Again, I find nothing comical about the young fellow’s condition, but I would have traded a king’s ransom to have been a fly on the wall when the aforementioned attempted exorcism was performed, just to see the expression on Brother Hartwick’s face.  Hopefully we’ll get to see that scene on movie night in Heaven.

     Brother Hartwick was never effusive with praise for student achievement. His demands were high, and if one did well in his classes, well, that’s what was expected of them…nothing more…nothing less.  I like to think I was a good student, and I endeavored to do well in Brother Hartwick’s classes, “chapter charts” and all.

     Brother Hartwick’s “chapter charts” were the bane of every student’s existence. As he was the primary Old Testament professor, it was nearly impossible for one to go through VFCC and hot take one of his classes.  In any of his courses on the Bible, one had to pick a book and then outline every chapter, writing copious notes, recording every important point, and thus “fleshing out” the book, so that when Brother Hartwick read them (which he always did) he or anyone could understand the book based on said notes.  “Chapter charts” were the educational equivalent of a root canal without Novocain.

     That was then, but as the years went by and I continued in my personal Biblical studies, I found that if I “chapter charted” whatever I was studying, I had excellent notes, from which I could even teach.  The said bane of Brother Hartwick’s student’s existences became one of the most useful tools in my Bible study tool box.  Hindsight indeed is 20/20.  Old Brother Hartwick knew a thing or two.

     A couple of years after I finished at VFCC, my Dad, who was pastoring an Assemblies of God church in Wyncote, PA sadly passed away after suffering from lung cancer, despite much prayer on his behalf from many people.  On the night of the wake, Brother Hartwick came through the line, and when he got to me, the only thing he said was, “Do you still believe in healing?” To which I replied, “It’s in the Bible isn’t it?” Brother Hartwick displayed a faint and rare smile, and said, “You’ll be alright,” then walked on. 

     Many times I have looked back on that moment, and have been thankful for Brother Hartwick’s seldom given “stamp of approval,” as it were.  More so, I am thankful that God gave me the grace to hold that position.  But part of that grace came to and was instilled in me in the form of Brother Hartwick’s classes and lectures.  He had done his job, and I am who I am today due to the fact that God led me to study under men like Reuben Hartwick and Hobart Grazier, among so many others.  They profoundly impacted my life, and I will forever be in God’s debt for such a kindness and blessing.  Thank You, thank You, thank You. That was worth more than gold.

     Now back to Amos in Brother Hartwick’s Minor Prophets class.  There is no way in a million years I can do him justice in relating this story—I guess you just had to be there, but the memory of this is as fresh as if were yesterday when it happened.  I’ll give it my best shot, and I apologize for not being able to present it in a way as profound as Brother Hartwick did.

     Brother Hartwick was teaching in Amos chapters 1 and 2, going over what all God said to the nations through the prophet.  He would read the opening line, and then comment sarcastically as if he were one of the people in Israel receiving the message from Amos in that day and time. 

     He would read the passage (italicized) below, and then would say and I quote, as best I can:

(Note: all texts are ESV and from Amos chapters 1 and 2—words of Bro. Hartwick in bold)

         

Thus says the Lord:

“For three transgressions of Damascus,
    and for four, I will not revoke the punishment,
because they have threshed Gilead
    with threshing sledges of iron.

 

“Yeah, you said it, Amos, those guys from Damascus are a bunch of scoundrels.  God’s going to get them.”

 

Thus says the Lord:

“For three transgressions of Gaza,
    and for four, I will not revoke the punishment,
because they carried into exile a whole people
    to deliver them up to Edom.


“That’s right, Amos. Who do they think they are?  They deserve every bit of that and more.”

 

Thus says the Lord:

“For three transgressions of Tyre,
    and for four, I will not revoke the punishment,
because they delivered up a whole people to Edom,
    and did not remember the covenant of brotherhood.


“Preach it, Amos! Nobody likes those people from Tyre anyway. I hope they get what’s coming to them.”

 

Thus says the Lord:

“For three transgressions of Edom,
    and for four, I will not revoke the punishment,
because he pursued his brother with the sword
    and cast off all pity,
and his anger tore perpetually,
    and he kept his wrath forever.


“Rotten Edomites, the lot of them, they could never be trusted. They’re going to get theirs. You tell them, Amos.”

 

Thus says the Lord:

“For three transgressions of the Ammonites,
    and for four, I will not revoke the punishment,
because they have ripped open pregnant women in Gilead,
    that they might enlarge their border.    

 

“You bet, Amos; those shameful Ammonites; they’ve been nothing but a thorn in our side from day one.  God’s going to have a field day with them.”

 

 Thus says the Lord:

“For three transgressions of Moab,
    and for four, I will not revoke the punishment,
because he burned to lime
    the bones of the king of Edom.


 

“Yeah, preach it, Amos.  Those stinking Moabites—just like the Ammonites. They’re nothing but trouble.”

 

Thus says the Lord:

“For three transgressions of Judah,
    and for four, I will not revoke the punishment,
because they have rejected the law of the Lord,
    and have not kept his statutes,
but their lies have led them astray,
    those after which their fathers walked. 

   

“Now you’re talking.  Kingdom of Judah—Ha!  What a bunch of losers!  Lay it on them, Amos.  They deserve it!”

 

Thus says the Lord:

“For three transgressions of Israel,
    and for four, I will not revoke the punishment,
because they sell the righteous for silver,
    and the needy for a pair of sandals—

those who trample the head of the poor into the dust of the earth
    and turn aside the way of the afflicted;
a man and his father go in to the same girl,
    so that my holy name is profaned;

they lay themselves down beside every altar
    on garments taken in pledge,
and in the house of their God they drink
    the wine of those who have been fined.

 

“Hey wait a minute, Amos, now you’ve quit preaching and gone to meddling.”

 

     Then Brother Hartwick would just look at us and smile, then remind us just how much like Israel of old we can be today.  And what a profound lesson for us now!

     On the occasion of my Mother’s death a few years ago, I was able to speak with Brother and Sister Hartwick.  He has retired, and isn’t doing much in the way of preaching.  He told me that he was teaching Sunday School at his church some. In his voice, I detected a note of not quite, but almost sadness, at the fact that he wasn’t as active as he thought he “should” be.  I told him that it was time for him to enjoy a well-deserved rest; that he had done his job well, and that it was time for those who studied under him to carry the torch.  His work lives on through all of us who were so blessed to have sat under such teaching.

     Who, but God, can say how much impact Brother Hartwick has had in the preaching of the Bible, and in the instruction of the saints?  In me he instilled a love and respect for the Old Testament for which I will always be thankful. God bless Brother Hartwick.  God broke the mold after He made him.

Oh well, reminiscing time is over, but it was a good reminiscence.

Talk soon,

Dana 

 

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On 10/21/2017 at 2:47 John added

HI Dana

            I never had Brother Hartwick because I wasn’t a ministerial or missions major. But of course I remember him—never a smile, tall and ramrod straight. But your quote from him concerning Israel and today’s Church, is one I believe should be repeated, and developed, “Hey wait a minute, Amos, now you’ve quit preaching and gone to meddling.”

            I wonder how many in today’s Church would even have an idea what was meant by meddling? This might be one of the reasons today’s Church is as shallow and powerless as it is. I’m still reading Martyn Lloyd-Jones’ Revival.  In Chapter 12 How Revival Comes, he writes about the stages of revival, or, what happens or what must happen for revival to take place. Stage One is “...a realisation...” of just how sinful we, (mankind, humankind) are, even in the Church. But Lloyd-Jones goes on and says that realizing our sinfulness is not enough. Stage Two is repentance.

            Before he gets deep into Stage Two, he tells the reader, what repentance is not. It is not remorse.  He writes on page 155, Remorse is, “There is a cursory superficial facing of the facts that is of no value at all....The man who suffers remorse is a man who, in a sense , looks at the facts but does not spend much time about it....He forgets (what he did/does) and goes on. That is remorse, it is of no value. “

            He points the readers to Paul in 2 Corinthians Chapter 7:8-11 for the classic statement on what repentance means. Lloyd-Jones quotes the King James, but I like how plain and straightforward The Message makes it:

 

8-9 I know I distressed you greatly with my letter. Although I felt awful at the time, I don’t feel at all bad now that I see how it turned out. The letter upset you, but only for a while. Now I’m glad—not that you were upset, but that you were jarred into turning things around (i.e. repentance). You let the distress bring you to God, not drive you from him. The result was all gain, no loss.

10 Distress that drives us to God does that. It turns us around. It gets us back in the way of salvation. We never regret that kind of pain. But those who let distress drive them away from God are full of regrets, end up on a deathbed of regrets.

11 And now, isn’t it wonderful all the ways in which this distress has goaded you closer to God? You’re more alive, more concerned, more sensitive, more reverent, more human, more passionate, more responsible. Looked at from any angle, you’ve come out of this with purity of heart.

 

            The Church today needs pastors, teachers, and preachers who will meddle, not coddle. I heard Rev. Alistair Begg on the radio this week talking to a room full of church leaders, pastors. He challenged them to just proclaim God’s Word with authority and having confidence in It’s ability through the Holy Spirit to bring people to confront their sin and repent and then walk with Him down His narrow path.

 

So Paul and Barnabas spent considerable time there, speaking boldly for the Lord, who confirmed the message of his grace by enabling them to perform signs and wonders. Acts 14 NIV

 

 12For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. Heb 4 NASB

 

13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it. Matt 7 NIV

 

            I’ll end with something else from Lloyd-Jones in this chapter dealing with, among other things, repentance from pages 156 and 157:

 

“Repentance does not just mean that you are pulled up, that you are aware that things are not as they ought to be, and that there is something wrong. No, you go on to a realisation of the seriousness of what is wrong, and its appalling character....they hated the thing (sin/sins), they abominated it, they condemned themselves root and branch. Ah, but still more important than that, they realised the seriousness of their sin in God’s sight.”

 

Then he challenges the reader (leaders and followers) with this question: 

 

Do you ever think of what our sin is like in the sight of God?

 

Finally Lloyd-Jones says, that in order for us, for the Church, to see revival,

 

“(We) begin to see what a terrible, appalling thing sin is in the sight of God. (We must) temporarily even forget the state of the Church, and forget (our) own anguish.  It is the thought of sin in the sight of God. How terrible it must be....(Nothing else matters but) the realisation of sin in the presence of God.”

 

Pastor, teacher, preacher, I think I can say with confidence, it’s OK with God to start meddling.  We all need it.